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do hundreds of americans and millions who won't get to know him but they will get to learn from him. the peace corps is a magical invention that we americans do best because it relies on being creative and getting out there with very little instruction and hardly any rules to figure out what to do. what a great man we lost today. god take him. for all of us who loved him. which of these stories will you be talking about tomorrow? dogs, ponies, action? the republican house is underway repealing he can reform that it can never repeal. what kind of reform is it, boys? >> jobs destroying jobs. >> you need to understand how insidious this bill is. this was written by smart people. >> the democrats poo-poo.
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>> this is a serious legislative effort. >> be this time the democrates have more than poo, they are prepared. the health and human services report repealing health care would end insurance for those with pre-existing conditions, as many as 129 million americans. unlikely support, ex-senator dr. bill frist says health care is here to stay and it should be, quote, cuddled, end quote, snuggled. richard wolfe on the political snuggling. the obama op-ed a. too many regulations put jobs at risk? does that sound a little too, i don't know, republican talking pointish for you? violent rhetoric and a possible next political shooting. new polling, a majority of americans see cause and effect. so why are mr. secession, mr. don't load retreat, and mr. partially topple the u.n. running? wait, dill luciens of grad your,
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anybody? >> i think i can win the republican nomination if i chose to run because i do think i'm in the mainstream of the republican party. as gringrich warns palin to slow down and think through what she's saying, she doesn't. >> a group of people being falsely accused of having blood on their hands, that is what blood libel means. >> no, too bad. here's a toaster. speaking of playing games, facebook's plan to sell your private info. and the revelations that those angry birds are popping on your privacy. all the news and commentary now on "countdown." good evening from new york. this is tuesday, january 18th. 658 days until the 2012 presidential election. the republican don kihoti is promising to repeal health care
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and they got their time in the imaginary sun this afternoon. basking in the pretend warmth they revealed their attack. aus is at a time an old trick and two, warn that the reform was written by the greatest threat to our or any other nation. smart people! but so it begins. seven hours of debate over two days with a purely symbolling repeal vote due tomorrow and in the category of unintentionally funding for the ages and telling. the prize goes to republicans speaking off the house floor at the gop's repeal news conference. congressman lou gomert damning those smart people who wrote the affordable care act. >> you need to understand how insidious this bill is. this was written by smart people hoping that there would only be a few things removed. >> and thus, congressman gohmert may have stated the number one reason why the affordable health care act will never be repealed
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ever. inside the capital chris offered the obvious by still the best critique of the replace nonsense. insurance premiums skyrocketed under the gop's private control in both houses of congress while that party did nothing. and as for the current gop replacement -- >> why not put your plan on the table first so everybody can see it before you begin taking away the important patient protections in this bill taking effect just since last march. >> but republicans today offered their favorite attacks on the affordable care act as those claims were picked apart by independent able sis. the gop claim this act will create the loss of 650,000 jobs citing the congressional budget office for this analysis. not true, unfortunately, according to the associated press. the cbo offered no such number but it did offer analysis at odds with what the gop claims it said. another part of the gop report citing the congressional search service chops a sentence short.
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according to a simple review by mcclach chi newspapers, the omitted smns, wouldn't be a burden on small business owners. many factors limit the impact the law could have on businesses because the implenation is staggered and small employers get tax credits today as noted by congressman anthony wiener. >> small businesses get a tax incentive to provide health care for their workers. small businesses do, and you know what requirements they have to go along with that? none. no gaudy regulation, no government takeover. >> meantime, the executive branch, democrats in congress and outside groups are prepared to fight this battle on several fronts. the department of health and human services releases this, if the affordable act were repealed between 50 million and 129 million americans under the age of 65 would be affected because of pre-existing conditions. the percentage of the u.s. population thus gaining protections under this affordable care act is up to three times the total number of
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the elderly in america. a new cable tv ad from the advocacy group united americans for change -- >> the affordable care act gave your family the same health protections members of congress get but republicans want to take debt protection away from your family. >> and while house republicans hold anti-health care reform hearings senate democrats will counter with their own hearing. tom harkin starts his series of hearings january 27th. thank you for the birthday present. then there's the former senate majority leader republican bill frist. if mr. gohmert didn't provide enough of a laugh, he said the affordable act care shouldn't be repealed. here's the quote -- that's not funny, that's wise. here's the funny. the bill has many strong elements. and those elements, whatever happens, need to be preserved, need to be cuddled, need to be
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smuggled, need to be promoted and need to be implemented. let's bring in washington post staff writer and msnbc contributor ezra klein. good evening. >> good evening, keith. >> cuddling and snuggling report later. >> it's the new civility. >> i guess -- this is sickening, actually, the new civility. this job-killing catch phrase, you've explained previously the difference between employers who cut jobs versus employees who voluntarily leave their jobs or the workforce because of the benefits of the health care laws. but this bears repeating today particularly, so please go ahead and repeat. >> sure. here's what cbo said, the bill because it gives people essentially more money in their pocket because it helps purchase health care insurance policy and because it makes it impossible essentially to discriminate based on pre-existing conditions will give certain people who would like to retire, say a 62-year-old who has diabetes, the ability to retire because when they leave their employer they will be able to buy health care insurance on the market on their own.
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now, that does mean you reduce the labor supply somewhat. you have somewhat fewer people who are working because they don't need to work anymore or don't want to work anymore. but this is -- reducing labor supply by making people effectively richer and making it easier to get health care insurance. because we are only a new civility here, i don't think the republicans want that to happen. they are just twisting what cbo said in order to make it look worse. but that's what they said, this bill will make people richer and they will continue to get health care. >> the stuff dr. frist said before he got sort of off on that kinder really gentler gop, he would have voted for this act even though it is not the bill he would have drafted. now he's criticizing the repeal effort by the republicans. he also owns stock in a for-profit hospital chain, but is there some suggestion in here that not being involved in a political machine like the republican party in the senate and the house he is sort of hitting that same common sense, duh moment that most americans
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get to here. let the thing evolve and it is a good start. you make fixes as needed and don't go back to square one when the first couple squares were successfully hurdled? >> this goes to the basic point of the repeal act to make it sort of problematic. republicans do have the votes to change the bill. they have the votes when it was crafted to get enormous compromise from the democrats in the senate. max baucus would have done anything for republicans votes. they could have essentially whatever they wanted but never said here's what we want in return for this we will give you our votes on the bill. here too they are going for whole repeal which they can get as opposed to democrats who put forward the willingness to go back to the 10999 reporting for small businesses which republicans don't like and change them. so there's been a real effort to play with this based on politics as opposed to make it a policy. the republicans and conservatives can be happy with. this despite the fact it looks a lot like what mitt romney did in massachusetts and what republicans did in 1993 under
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bob dole. it is a policy that at another time would have been congenial to the republican party, but because it has barack obama's name next to it it has been greeted with less enthusiasm. >> within the policy issue, two different approaches. much talk from republicans today about health care reform exploding the deficit even though the cbo disputes that as well. but while the republicans are talking money and this is going to do this and it is going to -- they are focusing on all those aspects while the democrats are working on the human factor, pre-existing, kids on parents' policies, stuff like that. is that the basic dynamic of this how long it lasts? >> it goes both ways. the republicans make the deficit argument which doesn't hold up to serious scrutiny. but it cuts medicare for your grandmother. of course, cutting medicare is why the bill saves money and that gets attention a little bit. but you do see different types of rhetoric and some of it is trying to if cuss on personal stories. democrats are going that direction.
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other bits focus on costs because people are worried about the cost, but the reality is the bill helps individual people and cuts costs. the as good bill and should be built on. >> ezra klein of the washington post. thank you. >> thank you. >> for more on the politics, we'll turn to richard wolfe who covers the white house and is author of "revival. the struggle for survival in the the obama white house." good evening. >> good evening. >> because of all the good humor lou gohmert offered us in this back and forth stuff, did democrats rebut the misuse of data by the gop and then they had their own set of -- it is easy to digest data for their case. democrats prepared for something? >> they are. they are prepared and more disciplined being in the minority than they were in the majority. i think they are feeling wind behind their backs because the president has gone over the psychological mark of 50%. by the way, the poll numbers on repeal have also shifted since
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just november. the most recent ap poll says 26% support repeal, 56% want more not less. the politics have changed in important ways but you are looking at a democratic party that has something that they know how to defend. remember, a year ago they didn't know what they were talking about because it hasn't been decided. all the messy negotiations, it made it extremely hard to rebut anything because they had nothing to put their hands around. now it is here, those provisions are popular. when you are talking about pre-existing conditions or what seniors get, it is a different world. >> if just support within the republican pollees has dropped from 61% to repeal just after the election to 49% now, is there any contemplation that kind of number might continue to change at anywhere near that sort of pace and that at some point this continuing stage
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craft that they are doing in the house may pit the republicans against their base rather than pandering to their base? >> well, i think that's going to bottom out at some point because there is that hard core that just hates everything that obama does and finds the health care -- that's been a radicalizing force for them because of all the heating rhetoric around it. but repeal is not what republicans -- even republicans really think is the most important priority. what they want to see is action on the economy and on jobs. so apart from your hard core tea party folks and the most loyal listeners to the "handy" show you want republicans in the house to be talking about something else. they are off topic. seriously off topic for the very people who put them in power. >> the president touted the health care law. he was not critical of it but said he's willing to work with republicans to improve it, which
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is kind of an untensional dog whistle to the left that you are going to abonn don all the good stuff for what reason? why say this if the republicans don't want a compromise and would take credit for anything they managed to change in the bill and claim there's no president obama and na na na. >> he's not about to give up important provisions in this law. he's obviously aware that there's going to have to be a lot of tinkering around as this bill goes into forth and the law goes into forth, excuse me. there are amendments and changes to it over the course of the next several years, but being responsible, looking responsible and saying to republicans, look, put something on the table here. that has not done him any harm. that's one reason why his numbers have picked up. it is an important tone for him to strike at this time. so until we see what specifics apart from the 1099 provision that ezra talked about, until we see what specifics the president is talking about people don't
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have a reason to be that worried he's going to gut something he thinks is the most important piece of his legacy so far. >> nbc political analyst, richard wolfee, great, thank you as always. you owe me a buck for not bringing up the quotes from frist. >> we can cuddle later, steve. >> thank you for that, richard. so the republicans are trying something that couldn't get through the senate and will get vetoed by the president if it somehow did. what is the president doing? writing up republican talking points about regulation threatening jobs in the wall street journal. arianna huffington joins me next. to the right. >> go to the right, go to the right. >> whoa! >> whoa! >> what is that? >> man: well, that's a, uh... i don't know. >> whoa. >> can we call him blinky? >> woman: expert teaching. deeper learning. together, we are
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or an that huffington writes, why did he say too many regulations cost jobs. a poll produces surprising results on people's fear about violent rhetoric and the risk of another political shooting. she wants to reload. the guy in the middle wants to secede. and the last one wants to see
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regulated minds. watch the entire gulf coast economy suffer after a poorly regulated deep water oil well blew up. americans under his watch have died eating poorly regulated food. their children have played with poorly-regulated toys tainted with lead. and in the fourth story tonight, mr. obama's plan to create jobs is deregulation. writing in the wall street journal on-ed the president announced a federal review of all regulations claiming some government rules have gotten out of balance placing unreasonable burden on business. businesses have have had a chilling revelation on growth of jobs. he said federal agents need to ensure regulations protect our safety health and environment while promoting economic growth. president obama did not identify a single rule that has stifled invasion nor had a chilling effect on growth and jobs. instead he pointed to the epa decision last month to stop regulated saccharin as hazardous waste without explaining how the old rules stifle the economy. president obama's directive
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mandate that the agencies make sure their rules are business friendly coming amid the creation of new regulations to force obama's signature reform such as regulations to prevent wall street from hurling the world economy over a cliff again with another bubble of mortgages or something else, lord knows what, and to prevent health insurance policy companies from tossing sick americans off their health care plans. try doing that under president obama's pay cuts. they have to do this in a business-friendly manner and find old rules that nobody cares about anymore for the president to offer up a token sacrifice to the rich. whose idea was this? house republican leaderer a i can cantor says mine. he says he gave a similar plan to mr. obama one year ago. i applaud president obama said republican chairman darrell issa. meanwhile, the president of the consumer group public citizen writes about obama's position on regulation today, quote, this is the wrong way to think about
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regulation. markets cannot function without proper regulation. we do not need balance between regulation and the free market. we need effective regulations that foster the right types of markets. the president had a similar view of regulation when he was running for president. >> we put in place rules to make competition fair and open and honest. we have done this not to stifle but rather to advance prosperity and liberty. deregulation of the telecommunications sector, for example, fostered competition but also contributed to massive over investment. partial deregulation of the electricity sector enabled market manipulation. >> as i have already told you she would, with us tonight in arianna huffington, the chief and editor of "the huffington post." and author of "third world america." as always, good to see you. >> good to see you, keith. >> what the hell is this, political pan dorring or a
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serious look to job growth or something else? >> well, it shows he is looking for re-election. there's no other explanation. obviously he wants businesses to stop just giving to republicans. and then start contributing once again to his re-election campaign as they did in 2008, especially wall street. but for me, keith, it doesn't make any sense at all. because we need to have a big debate about how to save american capital. this is not a left/right thing. there are many things wrong, and you can hear many good capitalists who sleep with copies of this book under their pillow worried about what's happening. i remember when i started to come on years ago that before he wrote "the wealth of nations" he wrote "the moral sentiment." he wrote again and again the capitalists cannot survive without a moral foundation. the problem in debating is not just regulations.
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he said basic morality in the way that businesses and especially the financial sector operate because they are not regulating or playing in the market. it is short-term profit. >> it is much better to sleep with the pillows under the book than read them. what he hinted at today, this directive to essentially go on a witch hunt for unnecessary regulations, what is at stake if that goes forward in any kind of meaningful way as proposed to simply starting and ending with anop-ed in the wall street journal. that's your business, just don't do it. >> he does amend that. i already that from 14 to 16 white house officials dedicated to the staff. and the truth is that if you really want to do something fundamental to deal with the red tape, you should have dealt with the tax cut. i mean, there's tons of stuff in a tax cut, including many
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loopholes. of which allow many businesses to avoid paying taxes and many wealthy individuals. but instead he did something so obvious, pure demagoguery. what is really stunning is the timing because this is a very moment when regulations have been put in the books about financial reform. and when millions of dollars are being spent by thousands of lobbyists trying to undermine these regulations -- we saw what happens when regulations are undermined. we saw what happened in west virginia, the mining disaster, we saw the bp disaster, there are real life consequences here. >> president clinton was accused of former regulation of business creating 22 million jobs in the process. is this president perhaps scapegoating regulations to either direct the eye away from the fact that maybe he didn't get quite the stimulus bill, quite the job creation bill that he should have gone for, is that
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what's happening here, too? >> well, i'm sure that's part of it because the stimulus bill is being quheetly inadequate and included $300 million of tax cuts are somehow being called stimulus. also, we have seen that a lot of the things that he could have done in a massive infrastructure spending, which we need anyway, many for employment. and more ways to support invasion, including the visa start-up act that would allow people here who have been educated here and people who can come here with money and ideas to create jobs. but because of the ant anti-immigration problem, we can't get that and it would create jobs. >> arianna huffington, always a pleasure. david frohm in a time when new polling suggests americans seem to be rejecting violent rhetoric ahead. e anuncer ] in the event of a collision,
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so they asked mrs. palin if she knows what blood libel means, and she said, it is like that movie. i wish her answer was that good. 2012 rhetoric ahead. first, on this date in 1983 president theodore roosevelt sent a message to the king in england. the radio transmission was interrupted by two traffic reports at a commercial for gold
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according to new polling out this week nearly half of americans think that harsh and violent political rhetoric was indeed to blame at least in part for the tragedy in tucson and more than half think it could easily cause a similar shooting in the future. in our third story this puts a magnifying glass on the past rhetoric with republicans dipping their toes in the 2012 presidential pool. if what we saw last night is any indication, it could take more than scene sean hannity to scratch that record. 35% thought mrs. palin's target map was a factor. 44% did not. a lack of resources for mental health care was a big culprit, 70% said so. the use of harsh rhetoric asked to commentators leading up to tucson, the number was split, 49% to 48%. i asked the harsh or violent discourse would cause a future incident similar to the shootings in arizona, 54% it was either very or somewhat likely.
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those numbers as backdrop today the man who suggested the u.n. building in new york could lose its top ten floors without anybody noticing has now suggested he could be the gop's choice next year. the former ambassador to the u.n. john bolten telling rt america, quote, well, i think i could win the republican nomination if i chose to run because i do think i'm the mainstream of the republican party. i think barack obama is beatable in 2012. the mainstream republican saying in 1994, quote, the secretary yacht building in new york has 38 stories. if you lost ten stories it wouldn't make a bit of difference. then rick perry of texas facing a budget deficit, the national review cites political operatives in austin say perry's campaign team has been quietly polling voters to gauge his chances on the national stage. this is the same rick perry who told the crowd of the tax tea party rally in 2009, quote, i'm not sure you're a bunch of right-wing extremists.
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but if you are we're with you. the audience yelled at the governor to she sed. he said we have a great union. there's no reason to dissolve it, but if washington continues to thumb their nose at the american people, you know, who knows what might come out of that. then there's mrs. palin who today sean hannity her aspirations for higher office exist just as her misunderstanding of the term lible. >> blood libel means being falsely accused of blood on your hands. it is a historical knowledge that people have of the term blood libel, it goes back to the yous who were falsely accused back in the you european times of using the blood of children. >> that woman is living in a fat-free environment. i'm trying. she was not accused of having blood on her hands but using dangerous rhetoric to an audience for whom such talk can be like an addictive drug.
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joining me is david frohm. thank you for your time, sir. good for you to be here. >> thank you. >> let me start with our common ground. as a former speech writer, cause and effective language is something you know better than i do. does it surprise you that in this cnn poll that 54% of people suggested that another tragedy is plausible, is realistic if the rhetoric is not ratcheted down? >> well, i think people often try to communicate a deeper truth within the yes or no answer of a poll. they want to say we don't like this. since that is the way of conveying it. the problem with this rhetoric is not that crazy people are lost in their own -- their own brain disease and to respond to those kinds of perspectives. the problem is it is an effect on normal people. here's governor perry, for example, the governor of the second biggest state in the country who is very plausible
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for a republican presidential nominee. he's trapped by the things he said at the head of an angry crowd. that doesn't reflect his real view. he has no reason to secede from the union. he entrapped into saying those things. and others have been entrapped to saying other things and that rhetoric will haunt them. it affects their future viability and the system here in washington. if we are going to get through this repeal vote in the house of representatives, that will be behind us and then we have to do deal making to advance republican interests. how do you do that if you have convinced your own supporters that there's no compromise with this devil. >> right. that brings us to our three examples. governor perry is a good one. he chose to just sort of the nod his head gently to secession as you pointed out instead of saying secession is insanity of economically and other ways of it being treason. but as you point out being trapped by this and the environment in which you flourish or your most ardent
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supporters exist. can any republican let up at the top or is there some conviction it is an essential sales tool? >> i do feel in the air kind of gear shifts taking place in the last week partly in response to this terrible tragedy in tucson. partly in response to the republicans having majority in the house of representatives and being back in the gain. partly because of the eminent of this health care vote lead you to think what's on the other side of the vote. annuity gringrich, you may think about the way he speaks, but he's a very smart man. i'm not a regular watcher of every episode of "glenn beck" but my em presentation is there's more self-empowerment on the show recently and less pair know ya paranoia. >> gingrich's quote, does that
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represent any kind of consensus or building consensus among republicans? is it obviously, i would think you would think it is good advice, or is it an ailment of mr. gingrich getting an edge on a possible rival. what do you think is the consideration there? >> i think there's a lot of concern in the senior levels of the republican party. we have seen that for months. ed gallispy is denying this use. i don't want to attribute to him if i'm wrong, but people in that orbit are worried about the down ballot effect of the palin candidacy. 2012 is shaping up to be a good year for republicans in senatorial races. it could be in the republican interest to have a lower intensity year rather than a higher intensity year. in a lower intensity year, if they don't win the presidency anyway, you are more educated and more affluent voters are coming out as a bigger part of the electorate to get bigger
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gains in the senate. >> david frum, former speech writer for president george w. bush. thank you. uh hope your i didn'tuation on toning down is correct. i applaud your efforts to make sure it is. >> thank you. next, is this man about to step out of the 2012 senate campaign? another sitting senator just has. it appears he's next. angry birds are not after the pigs. the angry birds are after your e-mail address and your phone number. why the angry birds do not just buy them from facebook i do not know. the latest online privacy disasters and when rachel joins you at the top of the hour she sets down with congresswoman nancy pelosi. ♪ ooh, ah la, la, la ♪ ♪ ooh, ah la, la, la ♪ ♪ ooh, ah la, la, la ♪ ♪ [ dance beat ]
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that old song about how you spend your leisure time may be more true than you wished. some of the staff are obsessed with a video game called angry birds. it is a down time activity that i don't see the appeal of throwing tiny birds through the area. when it comes to video games i find it best to ignore them. amidst the bombardment of this tale, the next time you play a video game on your smartphone remember no matter how fun or cheap it was it is going to cost you something. many cases the cost is your privacy. the number one story tonight how a recent facebook flip-flop pulls back the curtain on the
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data hunters to make your favorite mobile apps. take the massively popular angry birds as an example. as of last month it has been downloaded on mobile devices more than 50 million times. the developer claimed the game is played for more than 1 million hours each day. that's by one guy. here he is. he is a self-described angry birds master. the british prime minister david cameron offers a big-screen version on his ipad explaining what happened to that coalition. john hamm says the game is his time waister of choice. even conan o'brien revealing how he spent his time in between his two most recent talk show stints. >> hey, conan o'brien here. i'm still in the same crappy office, but now i have almonds and i'm on level four of angry birds. look at those birds. they are angry. >> here's something conan may not know. every time you play angry birds
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on your personal device, informs from that device is sent to marketers and developers are not required to let you know your info will be resold in that way. last friday social networking model and facebook announced a new policy in which third-party developers have access to even more private data from users, mainly home addresses and phone numbers. an online backlash prompted facebook to revise its position posting early this morning, quote, over the weekend we got some useful feedback that we could make people more clearly aware of when they are granting access to this data. we look forward to reenabling this improved feature in the next few weeks. if that isn't bureaucracy speak i have never heard it. such data minding has drawn the attention of the federal government. the commerce department announcing its intent to overhaul privacy laws. the current ones on the book originally written in 1986. joining me to discuss online privacy in an angry bird world is david kernow. thank you for your time tonight,
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sir. >> thank you very having me. >> this explains why the mona lisa of mobile phone games only costs 99 cents because you are paying with your privacy soul? >> well, they had it for free on android phones for a while. unfortunately, there's nothing for free these days. when you are on the internet on your phone, the problem is people want everything to be cheap and free. but you have to give up something to get a little lift. >> this case, what are you giving up? how important is that info to their bottom line equation? >> in a lot of cases it just literally -- the id number for your phone, but that id number can give you a lot of information. it can track how much you're playing games, which games you are downloading and from that information they can market to you on top of that. the other holly grail is location-based information. so they can find out where you are and your demographics to allow them to better market to you as well. >> you can't see this, but over your left shoulder somebody is
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playing a living version of angry birds while we watch. right behind you you can see what we are talking about. >> yes, i see. >> should we assume our personal info is being minded every time we log on. is it safe to log on anywhere? >> i think it needs to be more transparent. think about it, when you use gmail they are serving ads against your e-mails. it is totally right in your face. with a lot of the stuff what's happening is that people are upset it is not more out in the open. and some of this is just little bits of information, but that can go a long way towards establishing your identity. not your real identity, but just your -- where you shop and where you are and who you are. >> how likely or is it likely at all that government at some point is going to step in to try to protect online privacy or will companies be expected to self-regulate the way facebook has done in revising its policy? >> well, i think they will be
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seeing new rules but at the same time as long as they have the disclaimer with all the legalese, the problem is people tend not to read that. but the most important thing is they should be aware they are giving something up. you don't want to give up really personal information like your home address or your phone number. but i think a lot of people would be willing to play these games for free if they just took your id of your phone and what you were doing with those games. that is the cost. unfortunately, in this world these companies do have to have a business model. there's a reason that facebook is worth $55 billion. it does have a lot of information about a lot of people. and that's what marketers are interested? . >> as you know, every time you log on to itunes you are donating 5 cents to the republican party. sorry, i just made that up. the facebook story really was sort of a friday afternoon bad news dump. did they really revise the policy or are we all screwed from using it?
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>> i think they seem to be continually revising the policy. they kind of float these little privacy things out there and then there's all this backlash. then they go, okay, we are not really doing that. at the same time, that's really the holy grail for facebook. you are going to see a lot more stuff sold to you on facebook whether it is advertising, apps down the road, a microtransition system down the road probably like itunes. >> bottom line on this, would the public go for the scenario when the game developers or social sites like facebook aren't allowed to take that personal information but the apps and games cost more than they do now or essentially are we being given a choice between giving this nearly free -- >> i asked if they would be willing to pay a dollar per month for facebook. and they were really not happy about that. i'm not so sure that they would be willing to trade even just a little bit of money, $1, to have their privacy, but maybe today if it really gets a lot of publicity that will happen. >> well, maybe